​​​ Kirk Teachout is the Founder of IV Quarter Coaching, where he leads The Seven Figure Dentist program, helping dental professionals scale their practices efficiently. Drawing from his experience co-owning a dental practice with his wife, he developed a model that emphasizes culture, team, systems, and scheduling to achieve high performance with reduced workdays. Beyond coaching, Kirk is a bestselling author of personal development books like Overcoming Overthinking and Credit Score Mastery, which focus on mental clarity and financial empowerment. His mission centers on empowering others to build fulfilling lives through intentional leadership and sustainable growth strategies.

Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:

• [02:25] Kirk Teachout shares his journey from touring musician and producer to dental practice manager
• [04:40] Applying branding, marketing, and business systems from entertainment to dentistry
• [08:05] Overcoming the challenge of buying a practice just before the pandemic
• [11:02] Using Parkinson’s Law to create an efficient, high-performing dental schedule
• [14:39] Doubling daily production through streamlined systems and schedule design
• [19:26] Who can benefit from Kirk’s coaching retreat and how his operations approach fits various practice stages

In this episode…

How can a dental practice achieve explosive growth without expanding hours, adding providers, or hiring a large team? Many dentists assume scaling requires more people, more procedures, and more stress, but what if the real key lies in smarter systems? Is it possible to boost production while working fewer days a week?

According to Kirk Teachout, a business coach and serial entrepreneur, the answer is a resounding “yes,” using intentional scheduling and operational efficiency. He highlights that by applying Parkinson’s Law — work expanding to fill the time allowed — dentists can streamline workflows, increase daily production, and create a more energized team culture. By refining systems and patient experience, practices can deliver high-value care in fewer clinical days without sacrificing quality or profitability. Kirk explains how breaking, testing, and refining these systems leads to sustainable, replicable results for practices of any size.

In this episode of The Marketing 32 Show, host Brett Allen sits down with Kirk Teachout, Founder of IV Quarter Coaching, to discuss building a high-revenue practice with a lean team and efficient schedule. They explore using Parkinson’s Law to redesign practice operations, boosting production with fewer clinical days, and creating systems that empower team members. Kirk also shares insights on who can benefit from his coaching retreat and operational strategies.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• Brett Allen on LinkedIn
• Marketing 32
• Kirk Teachout: LinkedIn | Instagram
• IV Quarter Coaching
• FREE Dental Schedule Template
• “Redefining Dental Success Through Transitions, Mentorship, and Retreats With Dr. Jim Arnold” on The Marketing 32 Show
• Mango Voice
• Dental Intel

Quotable Moments

• “The more you do the same things over and over and over again, the faster you get.”
• “We asked ourselves two questions, which was what do we want and how do we want to do it.”
• “You fill the time that you allow for the task, and I used this a lot.”
• “We want to create an amazing experience for the patient — be leaders in the industry in this area.”
• “It’s really not terrible, and a lot of people are like, ‘oh, you’re a fee for service practice’.”

Action Steps

1. Analyze your current schedule for inefficiencies: Identifying gaps and bottlenecks can uncover opportunities to increase productivity without adding hours.
2. Apply Parkinson’s Law to your practice: Structuring tasks within tighter timeframes forces greater efficiency and maximizes production in fewer clinical days.
3. Invest in systems that streamline patient experience: A seamless front-to-back process improves patient satisfaction while reducing stress and confusion for the team.
4. Test and refine operational processes regularly: Continuously adjusting and improving systems ensures they stay effective and adaptable as the practice grows.
5. Train team members on your scheduling system: Empowering staff with the tools and knowledge to build profitable schedules strengthens practice consistency and outcomes.

Sponsor for this episode…

This episode is brought to you by Marketing 32, the only dental marketing agency with the Practice Impact Formula™ for predictable growth without financial risk.

With a focus on new patient generation, addressing missed opportunities, and expert scheduling, Marketing 32 has helped over 170 practices in the US, Canada, and Australia. Grow in 30 days, or you don’t pay — it’s that simple.

To learn more, visit marketing32.com and schedule a 15-minute discovery call. If you’re a visionary practice ready for impact, Marketing 32 is ready to help you grow!

Episode Transcript:

Intro: 00:13

You are listening to The Marketing 32 Show with your host, Brett Allen.

Brett Allen: 00:18

Hey, Brett Allen here, host of The Marketing 32 Show, where I connect with leading dentists, dental influencers and industry experts. We uncover the latest and greatest, all the strategies and insights you need to help your dental practice grow and thrive. So this episode, like all the others, are brought to you by our team here at Marketing 32. We are the only dental marketing agency that I know of that has a performance guarantee. You grow or you don’t pay.

We truly invest in your growth and help deliver value and demonstrate that to you ethically. So if you want to if you want help with your marketing, head over to marketing32.com to set up a call. Let’s see if we can be a great fit to help you out. Quick shout out to Dr. Jim Arnold.

Just did a great podcast with him. He’s doing some awesome things. If you’re wanting luxury Sea Escape to some awesome spaces all over the world, go check him out. Go listen to that interview today. In a similar vein, we’ve got more experts sharing their everything they know.

Kirk Teachout is a bestselling author, serial entrepreneur, and business coach with a unique approach to transforming dental practices. Drawing from his background as an artist, music producer, and manager for artists featured on American Idol and The Voice, really excited to dig into that. Kirk brings out of the box thinking to dentistry through his latest venture, the seven Figure dentist. He combines creative strategies with proven business systems to unlock the secrets of successful dental practice management, driving personal and professional growth for his clients. Kirk, glad to have you on the show.

Thanks for being here, man.

Kirk Teachout: 01:57

Yeah. Thanks for having me, Brett.

Brett Allen: 01:59

Yeah, I’m excited to dig into what you’re doing now, but I’m also eager to dig into what you were doing before dentistry. Right. You guys today, he’s he’s he’s going to share some of the things behind the curtain of how they went from working full time to just three days a week, seven figure dentists. But before we get into that cool stuff, let’s talk about your background. What were you doing before dentistry?

Kirk Teachout: 02:25

Okay. So yeah, as the bio said, right. I started as an artist. I was in band for, I mean, through college. I was on the drumline though, so that was the cool guy.

Yeah. So it wasn’t too bad, but no, I started bands when I was in high school through college, started touring and had a lot of fun, met my wife, continued touring and just hopped between different bands. And even though nobody would really know any band that I was in, they would probably know some of the bands I’ve worked with and or have talked with, managed or friends with and whatnot. So after my wife got out of dental school, she was like, hey, this is my last year. I want to have kids and you can’t be on the road if we’re gonna have kids.

So I was like, okay, guys, this is my last tour this summer. My wife’s going into her last year and I’ll just manage you guys from there. And so I started producing more full time from my home and really building that up before she got out of dental school, worked with some really cool people, produced records for bands like the band Camino and different people, mainly rock records, and then all these bands that were coming to me for production stuff and mixing and engineering were just asking me business questions about the music industry, like, how did you guys do this? How did you guys make money on tour and all these things? So I was like, well, let me start managing them.

Like helping them with the business side. So it really I mean, I’ve been coaching people technically for years. Just even from that side.

Brett Allen: 04:04

Right.

Kirk Teachout: 04:05

So now getting into the dental side, transferring all of that knowledge and that approach to branding and marketing and creating an experience with only something that I love. When my wife asked me two years out of dental school, like, hey, I want to buy a practice, will you help me? I was like, okay, sure. Like, I’ve built businesses. I’ve done stuff through YouTube and different bands and it’s like, I know what I’m doing.

I just don’t know anything about dental. Yeah. So I jumped in the weeds and learned through the fire and. Yeah, went through from there.

Brett Allen: 04:40

Yeah. That’s awesome. I think you’re unique in the industry in that way. Like, you know, innovating from what you learned from the music industry, bringing that into dentistry and as an office manager. Right.

Quote unquote. Office manager. Right. That’s neat.

So what was it that you guys did differently? Because I guess we kind of segue into, you know, working with your wife, growing that practice. What was it that you learned? What was it that clicked? And you guys, before we started recording this, Kirk and I met up and he was talking about how he doesn’t really do a ton with online marketing.

It’s more local relationships and just building an exceptional patient experience that has caused tremendous growth and freedom for them. So tell us all about that journey, like how you went from acquiring the practice, figuring things out. And yeah, talk to us about that.

Kirk Teachout: 05:36

Yeah. Of course. Yeah. So we bought a practice in a rural area outside of Memphis, Tennessee. The doctor was slowing down at the time.

And so it wasn’t a huge, you know, revenue generator. But it was established, which was really nice. So that helped tremendously. But you know, coming in, you know, acquiring a practice, never owning a business before, like my wife had or had not. You know, that was a challenge.

Also coming from a male doctor to a female doctor, that was a challenge. Okay. Transitioning that and then also, yeah, going into a rural area. So both of us are kind of from a rural area, but going into a rural area where, you know, small towns like everybody knows everybody. And if you’re an outsider, then it’s a lot harder sometimes to get people to trust you.

So we went in with the mentality like, hey, we’re not an outsider, you know, we’re from a rural area. We know that small town feel and we know kind of how to cater to those people. So how can we just create an amazing experience? Right. Those first six months?

I’ll be honest. We’re super stressful just trying to keep our head above water, not knowing really what the dental office like would entail every single day. You’re just like something new was going to happen or something new you had to learn. But we bought in September of 2019.

Brett Allen: 07:06

Oh, man.

Kirk Teachout: 07:08

Yeah — so if you do the math. Yeah.

Brett Allen: 07:11

Six months later, boom.

Kirk Teachout: 07:13

Yeah, yeah. Covid happened. So Covid happened. And honestly like, you know, and like I mean we’re about to put a podcast episode out to my wife and I and talking about that in particular that period and I, I said like she was having the time of her life because she was spending time with the kids versus being at the office. But then she came back and was like, I mean, I’ll be honest.

Like I wasn’t necessarily having the time of my life. I was worried because we just bought this practice and took on a ton of debt and like wondering what we’re going to do. Right. So it was scary in that sense, just like the fear of the unknown. Yeah.

But as business owners and I know you know, this too is like, we typically know what we need to do and need to focus on. It’s just like we don’t make the time to do it.

Brett Allen: 08:03

Yeah. 100%.

Kirk Teachout: 08:05

So for two months, we had the time to do it because we had nothing else we could do because we weren’t going in. We got lumped in in Tennessee with nail salons and barbershops as non-essential. So like, we could not go in.

Brett Allen: 08:20

PGP save you guys.

Kirk Teachout: 08:21

Did you.

Brett Allen: 08:22

Know that? Did you.

Kirk Teachout: 08:24

Get. Yeah a little.

Brett Allen: 08:25

Bit, yeah.

Kirk Teachout: 08:26

Yeah a little bit. But still it was just like, okay, well what are we going to do? I mean that was like a year later, right? Yeah. That wasn’t even during all of that.

Yeah. So we were just like, okay, well what are we going to do? So we finished, you know, sitting down for the first week, really. We were just like, what are we going to do? And we asked ourselves two questions, which was what do we want and how do we want to do it?

So now we were just like, okay, we want to create an amazing experience for the patient. We want to be, you know, leaders in the industry in this area. We want to be like, have the best office possible, even if it doesn’t look, you know, the greatest because it was mint green walls when we bought it. There’s all sorts of stuff. You’re like, okay, how can we transform?

Oh, man. Yeah. How can we transform this practice? And so we looked at the schedule because we had to force ourselves to look at the schedule because, you know, coming back, people technically couldn’t be in the office at the same time, right?

Brett Allen: 09:26

Yeah.

Kirk Teachout: 09:26

So we were forced to figure out efficiencies when we came back and was like, okay, this is where we’re going to put a crown. This is where we’re going to put an extraction. We’re going to stagger them enough to where nobody’s walking in the hallways at the same time. And that’s how really the foundation of my coaching program came about, was figuring out those systems that we wanted and really creating super efficient, intentional systems that allowed the patient experience to be fluid from front to back and back to front and out. It may seem chaotic to us, but for the patient it doesn’t seem that way.

So, you know, it’s I mean, now it’s so robust that I just manage the office from my home and watch my one year old daughter. I don’t I’m not even at the office anymore. That’s nice.

Brett Allen: 10:20

Yeah. So let’s dig into that a little bit. I mean, I know this is kind of where you’re going with what you’re doing now with coaching and these, you know, setting up one-on-one type relationships where you’re helping share the knowledge.

Kirk Teachout: 10:35

Sure.

Brett Allen: 10:36

Can you, can you pull back the curtain a little bit? I was like, there’s a lot of consultants out there. There’s a lot of dental coaches out there, but the nuances behind the feel of the practice, the working with the team, how is it that you can go? How do you set up a practice? That’s seven figures working only three days a week.

What’s what’s involved there? What’s what’s going on with the patient experience? What’s going on with the team?

Kirk Teachout: 11:02

So the foundation of that is really Parkinson’s Law. So Parkinson’s Law is that you’re going to fill the time that’s allotted for the task essentially. So the best analogy I can give for that is when you were in college and you had a term paper due they gave you on the first day, it’s like it’s due at the end of the semester. When did you try to get it done?

Brett Allen: 11:20

Yeah, the last few weeks.

Kirk Teachout: 11:22

2 or 3 days before maybe. Right. Yeah. So. But you still got it done even though you had three months.

Right?

Brett Allen: 11:29

Right.

Kirk Teachout: 11:30

So that’s Parkinson’s Law. You fill the time that you allow for the task. And I used this a lot to my advantage in the music industry street where a lot of people would spend 2 or 3 days to mix a song that had, you know, a hundred different instruments in it. But I would do it in an hour because I would have a timer on my desk for an hour, and I would hit it as soon as I started, and I would only give myself an hour.

Now, the first handful of mixes were trash. Completely terrible. But over time you get really good and really quick and really efficient, and your quality continues to go up. So that’s what we did essentially with the schedule is like we figured it out.

And the more you do the same things over and over and over again, the faster you get and your quality goes up.

Brett Allen: 12:20

Interesting. So now every facet of the practice really it’s —

Kirk Teachout: 12:26

Yeah, essentially. Yeah. So like you, you figure out a system that makes sense. You break it, you make adjustments, you break it, you make adjustments, and you just keep perfecting and refining to. Now it’s just refining a little thing ever so often.

Brett Allen: 12:43

Interesting.

Kirk Teachout: 12:43

But to go from I mean, initially we went from four days to three and a half coming back from Covid and just cutting out those three hours in the afternoon. Was night and day different in our culture, not only in our team culture, but also our patient culture, because they could feel like how much more energy we had to be able to do our grocery shopping on a Thursday afternoon, pick up our kids, do different things. And then when my wife, 18 months later, had our third child, she only went back exclusively three days a week. And it was at that point where we just went three days a week, pretty much no matter.

Brett Allen: 13:18

What, you have an associate as well. Or is it just her?

Kirk Teachout: 13:21

So we do now? Yeah, yeah, we do now. So for the second maternity leave we went through in our practice with my wife, we got an associate. We continued to do the same, if not better numbers. And the coolest thing that really sparked a lot of interest in me.

Trying to create impact for other doctors was when, during that first maternity leave, because, you know, we were doing 15,000, 16,000 days with the practice. The whole practice itself. And my wife was doing 12 to, you know, 14,000 days on her own. So and this is just bread and butter dentistry, by the way, for anybody listening, this is not crazy implants. This is not a ton of rehabilitation. This is drill and fill. Bread and butter, Crown and bridge.

Brett Allen: 14:05

Yeah.

Kirk Teachout: 14:05

So she had never. So we finally found somebody for at least three weeks to cover while my wife was out for that first maternity leave. But she had never done more than $6,000 a day in her whole office, including hygiene. So we were a little concerned, not necessarily in her ability, just because it’s just going to be a lot different to almost double, if not more, their production in a day. But for three weeks straight, that doctor was coming in and doing $15,000 days every single day for those three weeks.

Brett Allen: 14:37

Wow. Big transformation. It was.

Kirk Teachout: 14:39

Yeah, yeah. It was at that point I was like, okay, we have something here.

Brett Allen: 14:42

Yeah. Yeah.

Kirk Teachout: 14:44

Where it’s duplicatable, you can just plug and play enough to where like, our front is so streamlined that we hired two fairly brand new, one very brand new. Didn’t even know what a root canal was. Front desk. And they’re building super efficient schedules now within a few weeks, just because we have the system and it’s drag and drop, and as long as the communications fluid from the front to the back and the back to the front, they know what to do.

Brett Allen: 15:16

That’s cool. I mean, yeah, this is neat. It’s a different spin than what you hear from most consultants out there and coaches. But it sounds really fascinating. So how did you go?

So you figured out you’ve got something here. Now. Now what? Now what’s. What’s next?

What are you trying to do now? And how are you leveraging this experience?

Kirk Teachout: 15:42

Sure. So, I mean, in the next ten years, I want to impact 10,000 doctors, whether it be large audiences, small audiences. I like those small audiences in general, just because it’s more intimate and it’s more personal that way. And I like building relationships. But, you know, that’s what’s led me to go from just one on one coaching to now creating this retreat where we’re going to have a handful of doctors that are going to be learning every single system on the business side, because everybody can get clinical.

Like it’s not hard to get clinical stuff, but every single system we have in our practice, from front to back and back to front, and then also like Zion National Park.

Brett Allen: 16:27

That’s gonna be sweet.

Kirk Teachout: 16:28

So It’s gonna be beautiful.

Brett Allen: 16:31

Yeah. So is this. Is this part of dental schedule template your website, or is that something different?

Kirk Teachout: 16:39

That’s just. So if anybody does want the template that I have that’s in our practice right now to build $16,000 days, they can download it for free.

Brett Allen: 16:48

Awesome. Okay. So is that where we’re wanting to send everybody? dentalscheduletemplate.com, go check that one out.

Kirk Teachout: 16:54

Sounds great.

Brett Allen: 16:55

That’s how you can get started with you know learning behind the scenes what Kirk is talking about. But if you want to get if you want to participate in this retreat is that open for attendees if you started promoting that and signing up people?

Kirk Teachout: 17:10

Yeah, it’s open to practice owners right now so they can go to my Instagram at Kirk Teachout. And the link is right there in the bio. Or they can just message me, email me, whatever. I’d love to talk to them about it because it’s going to be a ton of fun.

Brett Allen: 17:24

Yeah. Zion. That’s that’s that’s a beautiful place for sure.

Kirk Teachout: 17:29

Yeah.

Brett Allen: 17:29

So why Zion? What? How did you come across that? Why that place?

Kirk Teachout: 17:33

So I have friends with Mango Voice who does our phones. Yeah. And then I also have friends with Dental Intel. So they’re all in Utah? Yeah.

I mean, it’s like the Silicon Valley of. Yeah. Of that area.

Brett Allen: 17:48

Yeah. The silicon slopes. I’ve heard it called. Right. Yeah. In the mountains.

Kirk Teachout: 17:52

Exactly. So it’s beautiful out there and we love traveling. My wife and I, we took our kids to Washington over Christmas break, and they loved the mountains. And seeing Rainier and just seeing more snow than what we have here in Memphis, Tennessee. But we went out there this past weekend, actually, and went through the hikes, looked at logistics, places to eat, because coming from the music industry, right, I’m all about creating experiences.

And I understand when you marry a core memory like hiking Zion and going up to Angel’s Landing. Or when you’re hiking ten miles up a river with 1,000-foot slot canyons on either side of you. Yeah, that’s naturally going to marry the information that you just had and talking with people together. Way more effective.

Brett Allen: 18:44

Yeah, yeah.

Kirk Teachout: 18:45

Than just going to a boring conference room where you get see and kind of go from there, which, I mean, they have ten hours to see that they’ll get. But I want the experience to let them peek inside my brain a little bit.

Brett Allen: 19:00

Yeah. Pull back the curtain. You’re just going to give them a download of like, everything. This is like how we did it.

Kirk Teachout: 19:06

Yeah. Cool. And give them the blueprint on how we did it too.

Brett Allen: 19:09

Is there kind of like an ideal dentist? Like, if somebody’s listening to this and they’re like, I wonder if that would be a good fit for me or like your process specifically. Is there kind of like an ideal person that you’re wanting to work with that you think will be best served with your process with the event.

Kirk Teachout: 19:26

So I don’t I don’t really feel I know people ask me that all the time. And I know a lot of like my coaches like that I’ve hired. I hate it that I don’t really nail down like the specific person, but it’s just because it’s operations. And I mean, I mean, I could take these same operations to a chiropractic clinic. I could take these same operations to an OB/GYN like it.

It doesn’t really matter that much. There’s some nuances with dental, obviously, but as far as the ideal person that would benefit from this retreat, it’s going to be the person that just bought a practice. It’s going to be the person that’s 5 or 7 years out with a chaotic schedule. Maybe they’re doing really well, but they want to work less. Maybe it’s somebody who has a foot out the door and is trying to sell their practice.

They want to become more profitable. The approach is just different. It’s the exact same operational skills and systems. It’s just the approach of how you like where you focus is just a little different. So I really feel like just any practice owner in general that has maybe an associate that is just a solo doc, obviously like DSOs can benefit from it, like small private practice dsos too.

It just depends on what you’re wanting to do. Yeah, because, I mean, I’ve had small DSOs have me out to do the exact same things I do with my small private practice, and they love it.

Brett Allen: 20:49

They want to learn your system. Yeah.

Kirk Teachout: 20:51

Yeah.

Brett Allen: 20:51

So I know we talked about typical format. We’re almost out of time here. But typical format for me is to ask everybody who comes on the show, what’s that golden nugget like? What’s that one domino? If you could help a doctor push this one domino over, it’ll knock everything else down.

The ripple effect. You talked about Parkinson’s Law and like, you know, streamlining, streamlining processes into the time that’s required to do them. But if you like. What’s that one epiphany you could help our listeners have that would really make a huge impact, and maybe that’s it and maybe we go deeper on that. But yeah.

Is there one thing that really has made a huge impact in your practice?

Kirk Teachout: 21:34

I think I think, you know, back to Parkinson’s Law, I, I like to think of it as, as this. So like a lot of practice owners have had those weeks where, you know, it, let’s just say it’s winter time, right? And it snows and you can’t get to the office and patients are canceling, and you close on a Monday and you go back in on a Tuesday, and you’re trying to fit all those people in that week because you don’t want people to be upset, but they understand at least that point, like you couldn’t get in.

Brett Allen: 22:08

Yeah.

Kirk Teachout: 22:09

So you try to cram everybody in on that one day the rest of the week. So all we essentially do now and and you figure out how to do it like you actually do it, and maybe it’s a little chaotic. Maybe it’s not. It’s not that crazy, but you still are able to fit that whole day’s worth of patience in the rest of the week. So that’s essentially what we do every single week.

Brett Allen: 22:34

Every week. Yeah.

Kirk Teachout: 22:36

So I would argue that most people are not truly as busy as they think. It’s just the way that they have it arranged. Kind of modge-podge. It’s not efficient. Yeah.

So when people look at my schedule, they’re like, that is crazy. I’m like, actually it’s not.

Brett Allen: 22:55

It’s not that bad. It’s not that stressful.

Kirk Teachout: 22:57

It’s not, it’s not. You focus. You focus on large procedures. You fill it in with restorative and extractions, and then you have assistant driven. And that’s it’s a dance between back and forth, between hygiene checks and to the procedures.

But you know, it’s really not terrible and a lot of people are like, oh, you’re a fee for service practice. That’s how you can do it. It’s like, no, we’re not. We were 90% PPO when we started. We’re only 50-50 now and we can still do it.

It’s not that bad to have a profitable practice that way. You know, a lot of people will be like, oh, you work through lunch. You’re like, no, we work 8:30 to 4:30 with an hour lunch. It’s not that crazy. And we only do crown and bridge.

We don’t place implants. We do like, a handful of aligners a year.

Brett Allen: 23:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kirk Teachout: 23:45

It’s nothing crazy. And yet we’re still able to outpace a lot of people with a smaller team.

Brett Allen: 23:50

Well, I would love to be a fly on the wall at that retreat I know you don’t like don’t allow marketers to come with you. It’s purely dental practice owners. But I would love to be there, especially just to enjoy the scenery. But you guys, you got to check out Kirk Teachout and what he’s doing. He is definitely a mover shaker in the industry and going to be disrupting things quite a bit with this process.

So website is dentalscheduletemplate.com. Is there any place else you want to send them to connect with you?

Kirk Teachout: 24:20

Come to my Instagram. I know you don’t like social media, but come to my Instagram at Kirk Teachout. I am there all the time. That’s where I live and breathe. I’m on Facebook too, but Instagram.

Brett Allen: 24:32

Is where.

Kirk Teachout: 24:32

You’re at content for Instagram.

Brett Allen: 24:33

Yeah, @KirkTeachout. Is that okay? We’ll put it in the show notes if you guys are on Instagram. Yeah, we’ll put it in there.

Brett Allen: 24:42

I’m bad like that. Well you guys, this has been awesome. Kirk, thank you so much. Thank you for sharing. And you guys got to check him out.

Go on that retreat if you can. That sounds phenomenal. Thank you again, Kirk, for being on the show.

Kirk Teachout: 24:57

Yeah, thanks for having me, Brett.

Brett Allen: 24:58

Yeah. Until next time, you guys on The Marketing 32 Show Have a great day and we’ll catch you next time.